Guest Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) Les dégaines Y'a que Flake qui s'en tire bien, Till ça passerai si il se sentait pas obligé de se foutre des breloques en ferraille autour du cou Ils se sont quand même vachement kikooliser Edited March 16, 2017 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites
Buffalo Biffle 7755 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Ces dégaines de charclo... Pfff... Link to post Share on other sites
CZERO 3 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Franchement je sais pas qui font pire entre eux et les footballeurs niveau fringues (Flake et Iniesta mis à part) ! Perso ça me tue Link to post Share on other sites
TuMirNichtWeh 1942 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) Ils sont d'Europe de l'Est n'oubliez pas, ça reste! sur scène j'adore les tenues de Till mais alors en civil c'est une cata! Edited March 16, 2017 by TuMirNichtWeh 1 Link to post Share on other sites
agenttud 245 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Le "Der Spiegel" a ecrit un article "interessant" sur Rammstein et R:P aujourd'hui. http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/kino/rammstein-paris-an-der-volksbuehne-die-urszene-von-pegida-und-afd-a-1138891.html Traduit en anglais: Quote Rammstein at the Volksbühne: Bankruptcy By Jens Balzer The Volksbühne is experiencing it’s last big Pop-music event in the era of Frank Castorf. Too bad, it had to be the premier of “Rammstein: Paris” which devalues everything what this house stood for. The masculine-teutonic stadium-rockband will go to the Volksbühne in Berlin this Thursday, to celebrate the premier of “Rammstein: Paris”. The focus is on an almost two-hour long compilation of several performances from the band in the French capital, from which the director Jonas Åkerlund tried to extract the aesthetic of the Rammstein-esque being. This is something he achieved, because what you see in the film is: six super-men covered in ash and oil, who will give a Fritz-Lang-Metropolis-meets-Cyberpunk-stage-show which is played with rough gestures on their instruments and explode, blow up or burn something no matter if it fits or not. It’s a very long-stretched meaning and senseless overwhelming aesthetic, from which you are tired from after the first ten minutes, which feels like a very stretched out never-ending action –scene from a blunt Action-Blockbuster. Some kind of distance to the band or aesthetic reflection cannot be found in Åkerlund’s film. The larger dramatic picture consists of shaky cutting between close-ups and panorama-shots and computer enhanced effects to the pictures. When Rammstein singer Till Lindemann rolls his “R” in his typical nazigerman-martial manner, which he often does, his longue tongue was morphed into a three-spliced snake-tongue by Åkerlund. The sound (Dolby Surround-something-super-Atmo) is brilliant, and will please the fans, who can enjoy the film next week for three days. The last big event of its era “Rammstein: Paris” will be the last big pop-culture event in the era of Frank Castorf, who has for the last 25 years hosted the House at the Rosa-Luxemburg Platz. The director, who recently said goodbye to his many worshippers and few critics by showing a 7-hour interpretation of “Faust, was until now known for his fearlessly-risky emancipatory game with political symbols from the totalitarianism of the 20th century. The aestheticism of nationalist-socialist and Stalinist politics is used in his political aesthetic, in nihilistic blackness and utopian beams it became unrecognizable. This was fueled by his cocaine-addiction-fueled association-fury megalomania which went overboard, sometimes it was annoying and sometimes it was grandiose. What was really great about the Volksbühne in the Castorfe-era, was the madness and heat, in the case of Speech-based theater, the weekend-long discourse-festivals and discussion-programs, in the long lines outside of the cinema, and last but not least the pop-musical events. Which became just as important in the 2000s as the theater. Artists like Throbbing Gristle and Whitehouse, Antony and the Johnsons and Suicide, Current 93, Laibach and PsychicTV - a radical, from the 70s to the present-day reaching Avantgarde, from the displays of violence in the 20th century to the totalitarian potential of the post-modern mainstream-media, the century-old ingrained pop-culture which influences the dialogue between liberation and oppression. The Masculin-catch with the “Neue Deutsche Härte” Until now we were anticipated in regards to which band would be given the honor to bring this era to an end; which pop-culture statement would this theater deliver to its many worshippers and few critics near the end of the Castorfe era. The statement was: Rammstein Because of this, you could say that the premier of this film goes against everything this house stood for, in a very unsubtle way. The political ambivalent risk-aesthetic which once was here at home with the Avantgarde, was beaten down by Rammstein’s risk-free masculine-catch from the “Neue Deutsche Härte” and turned it into a spectacle without ambivalence and tries to distance itself with irony. It still stays noticeable humor-less and bossy. German history isn't all bad, and when it was bad, it was still fascinating: The Rammstein aestethic is the original arena for the You-should-be-allowed-to-say-something-like-that-attitude, from Björn Höcke (leader of a political party known as AfD) which is used today. Rammstein is the original platform for Pegida and AfD - the fact that they are former East-German punkrockers and consider themselves left-wing changes nothing. Rammstein at the Volksbühne: This is the complete bankruptcy of a once emancipatory institution, which in the end for all the wrong reasons went against the so-called “neoliberal” discredited internationalism from the Castorf- predecessor Chris Dercon, now goes without any good-will into the hands of the nationalist German mainstream. Everyone, who still loves this house, can do nothing today but feel ashamed. However, what remains and can still give us hope, is that something new can find its way to the stage. Link to post Share on other sites
Niklaus 1020 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) "It’s a very long-stretched meaning and senseless overwhelming aesthetic, from which you are tired from after the first ten minutes, which feels like a very stretched out never-ending action –scene from a blunt Action-Blockbuster. " Oui, c'était cet aspect qui me faisait le plus peur, un montage qui peut vite épuiser nerveusement. Par contre, le son semble au top, ce n'était qu'une histoire d'immersion pour le défaut relevé dans une autre critique. Edited March 16, 2017 by Niklaus Link to post Share on other sites
Tig 1828 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 il y a 47 minutes, TuMirNichtWeh a dit : Ils sont d'Europe de l'Est n'oubliez pas, ça reste! sur scène j'adore les tenues de Till mais alors en civil c'est une cata! Ouais, enfin leur dégaine les aurait envoyés au goulag en moins de deux 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Walt Kowalski 240 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) "his longue tongue was morphed into a three-spliced snake-tongue by Åkerlund " Alors sa langue se sépare en trois parties? Wtf, je pensais que ça serait comme dans ich tu dir weh (ou mgm dans le pire des cas)... EDIT: hate de savoir ce que va dire Kruspe dans l'interview qu'il a donné avant le film, j'espère pas que ça sera juste "you know, we hope people will like it.." Edited March 16, 2017 by Walt Kowalski Link to post Share on other sites
ramfrei 180 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 il y a 55 minutes, agenttud a dit : Le "Der Spiegel" a ecrit un article "interessant" sur Rammstein et R:P aujourd'hui. http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/kino/rammstein-paris-an-der-volksbuehne-die-urszene-von-pegida-und-afd-a-1138891.html Traduit en anglais: C'est tellement adorable de mettre une traduction en anglais plutôt qu'en français. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Niklaus 1020 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 A sa décharge, la traduction automatique Allemand vers anglais est beaucoup plus convaincante que la trad Allemand-Français Link to post Share on other sites
Pierrick 6583 Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 Il parle anglais et mal français donc il a choisi de mettre une traduction correcte. Oulala, tu vas devoir faire un copier coller et trois clics pour traduire en français ! Franchement... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 il y a 42 minutes, ramfrei a dit : C'est tellement adorable de mettre une traduction en anglais plutôt qu'en français. C'est tellement dur de savoir déchiffrer l'anglais Link to post Share on other sites
agenttud 245 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 42 minutes ago, ramfrei said: C'est tellement adorable de mettre une traduction en anglais plutôt qu'en français. Le francais est ma troisieme langue. Je la parle seulement sur ce forum. La traduction n'est pas la mienne, c'est d'un Allemand sur Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/Rammstein/comments/5zrql0/here_we_go_again_der_spiegel_calls_the_screening/ Link to post Share on other sites
agenttud 245 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Till_Lindemann said: C'est tellement dur de savoir déchiffrer l'anglais Je ne sais pas si tu es sarcastique ou non, parce que tu as demande une traduction en francais pour mes premiers commentaires en anglais sur ce forum. Link to post Share on other sites
Buffalo Biffle 7755 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Nan mais laisse agenttud, Ramfrei est connu pour être un tocard aussi aimable qu'une porte de prison. Link to post Share on other sites
Black Eyed 735 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 on dirait qu'ils vont se faire fusiller. Comme je suis jalooooouse... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) il y a 26 minutes, agenttud a dit : Je ne sais pas si tu es sarcastique ou non, parce que tu as demande une traduction en francais pour mes premiers commentaires en anglais sur ce forum. Oui quand c'est dans un fil en français, pour ce coup ci l'autre tête de pine fait juste chier le monde parce qu'il bite pas un mot d'anglais Edited March 16, 2017 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites
Herzwerk R.o.D 4631 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Il y a 6 heures, Till_Lindemann a dit : Oui quand c'est dans un fil en français, pour ce coup ci l'autre tête de pine fait juste chier le monde parce qu'il bite pas un mot d'anglais @agenttud va apprendre à parler comme un charretier avec toi 1 Link to post Share on other sites
combigot 226 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Des retours de la projection hier : - Pas notre tasse de thé - Trop d'effet - Pas l'atmosphère d'un concert - Public quasiment inexistant On savais déjà tous ça mais quand ces commentaires reviennent en nombre ça fait peur 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Maitre Campeur 557 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Akerlose reste fidèle à sa réputation 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Atomiiik 1898 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 il y a 10 minutes, combigot a dit : Des retours de la projection hier : - Pas notre tasse de thé - Trop d'effet - Pas l'atmosphère d'un concert - Public quasiment inexistant On savais déjà tous ça mais quand ces commentaires reviennent en nombre ça fait peur D'un côté, heureusement qu'on a pas pleins de plans du public avec des samples de cris accentués a ces passages là. On a vécu le concert donc l'ambiance on l'as en tête... C'est mon avis, trop d'effets par contre ça oui ça fait très peur. Tant que le mix est bon ça me va, une fois la projection cinéma passée on va sûrement tous se le regarder une fois chez soit et le BR va finir au placard donc pour le visuel ça devrait aller . 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ramfrei 180 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Oh putain la bande de prouts sur ce forum Dans ce cas je vais foutre les traductions en russe car je parle mieux le russe que l'allemand Link to post Share on other sites
Spyhorus 29 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Il y a des vidéos qui tournent de la 1ère du Volksbühne ? Link to post Share on other sites
Der_Haifisch 1425 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Bon bah, foirer le plus gros concert de toute une carrière... Check 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Niklaus 1020 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Ce qui est marrant, quand on lit les retours, c'est que les mecs disent qu'il y a trop d'effets mais finalement ceux qui font l'objet d'une certaine perplexité sont toujours les mêmes ( les éclairs avec flake ( en fait ce n'est pas juste un éclair, mais une séquence wtf de plusieurs dizaines de secondes on dirait ), les visages sur Engel... ), peut-être que c'est moins une question de quantité d'effets que d'effets vraiment bizarres qui retiennent trop l'attention. Link to post Share on other sites
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